Orson Meets Willem Dafoe
(Originally published in Filmstar.)
You once said that your most horrendous acting experiences can turn out to be your best work. Does Antichrist fit the theory?
It was very happy. I was in good company and we had interesting things to do. I’m like a farm animal. I like to be used. This was a good situation. We had a fertile field to plough, you know? There are crazy stories about Lars being sadistic or odd with actors, but in my experience he’s anything but. He’s a very sincere and sweet guy.
Antichrist was made while Lars emerged from a period of depression. How did this affect the shoot?
It was touch and go whether we’d finish the film. There were points where he’d have serious bouts of anxiety and we’d have to stop for periods. But that was all part of it – this is a personal film and it’s a gift to work on something like this with him, so it makes you very patient. If he wasn’t feeling up to things, he had to go and lie down. Sometimes he’d have a bad idea like drinking beer or something and he’d sort of pass out and we’d just have to wait. But in the end, he functioned very well.
How did making an intense two-hander like Antichrist compare with Manderlay, Lars’s ensemble piece?
Entirely different. The shooting style was different, Lars was in a different place. Antichrist was a film that was serving a much different impulse. We all felt like actors on the set of Manderlay. On this we were so much there that we really became the story, bcame the landscape. Because there was nothing but the film for six or seven weeks.
There were no readings, no rehearsals. Did the lack of preparation scare you?
It’s very hard to convey how significant it is that you don’t rehearse. Any other film, I’d have a certain idea of where the scene is going to play, how it’s going to end. With Antichrist, Lars wouldn’t even tell us how we were dressed tell you how you’re dressed.
It sounds like you had the freedom of an early rehearsal for a play?
Not really. If you have a swing at it and he likes it then you move on. The thing about theatre is that you’re dealing with so much repetition and accumulation of association. With film, all the time, you’re trying to find the gesture. I mean the gesture in the big sense.
What techniques would Lars use on set?
He’s funny. He’s quite subtle in how he sets things up, but he also has some very funny shorthand. Sometimes he’ll literally say, ‘Willem 30% less, Charlotte, 20% more.’ Or at the end of the take he’ll simply use a universal gesture of intercourse and smile.

